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I wish more apps worked like outliners do; or: Why bookmark managers are all too much alike

To illustrate my point on a concrete example: There are a lot of different bookmark managers out there. They all differ in some way or another; and a number of them are genuinely useful, but barely any of them reinvent the core model. Sure, I can organize my…

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To illustrate my point on a concrete example: There are a lot of different bookmark managers out there. They all differ in some way or another; and a number of them are genuinely useful, but barely any of them reinvent the core model. Sure, I can organize my bookmarks (which may be images or URLs; some apps also support plain text) in a folder structure; and even assign tags. But while that is useful to bring order to my bookmarks, it's too short-sighted. In the end I'll still have to throw all my bookmarks relating to some topic into the same folder. In reality bookmarks aren't just a list of URLs though. Compare that to how an outliner works: I can create a document for a very specific topic, and then add multiple URLs to it, structure them, add text as descriptions/notes/labels and so on. In my mind, this is how a good bookmark manager would allow you to organize your bookmarks. Instead of just keeping all of them separate, it would allow you to represent the relationship between a number of URLs by keeping them inside the same "bookmark" item which behaves just like a small outliner document. You can e.g. nest the link to a shipping policy under the link to the item in the online shop. Or add links to the PDF manual. You can put multiple shop items in the same bookmark if they relate. Now, why couldn't I just use a proper outliner for that? I mean, I wish I could. But unfortunately outliners generally suck at handling URLs. First, they generally are file-based, meaning I'd have to mantain separate files for each "bookmark" item I want to create, whereas bookmark managers just save to their own library. Next, they usually aren't able to fetch the title of a URL and require you to edit and set it instead, making it very frictionful to add a bigger number of URLs. Lastly, they most of the time don't support any kind of link previews either. A preview is not needed, or even wanted, for everything. But while I wouldn't want one for the URL to the shipping policy, not having ones for shop items would make it much harder to get a good overview of the document. And, to add another point to that: bookmark managers are already great at what they do. Many allow you to archive the resource at the other end of the URL; the perfect outliner or Markdown editor would certainly support links as well as that, but the easier way would be to just let the bookmark manager handle outlining. To return to my original point: I think there are more apps than just bookmark managers that would benefit from at least supporting a more freeform outline-like structure. e.g. all 1Password entries are separate items, but it might make some sense to be able to nest some related items under another.

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u/metamatic

I couldn't find anything suitable so I ended up moving all my bookmarks to small Markdown documents in DEVONthink. I can add links between them, put text summaries of the content in, add notes, organize them in a folder hierarchy, have automatic filing suggestions, and so on. And they sync between my systems via a WebDAV server I control, with end-to-end encryption.

u/phunk8

this is not stupid! nice

u/minseoishere

yeah the relationship between the links is kind of the actual content, and almost nothing lets you express it. folders just flatten everything and tags spread it back out. been building something in this direction, not a bookmark manager exactly, more a space where you throw in urls, pdfs, notes and actually structure them into one thing you can come back to and reuse, instead of just a pile you saved once. nesting is part of it but what i really want is for a cluster of related stuff to become something you can work from later, or hand to someone. the 1password thing is the same problem in another spot honestly. curious where you'd draw the line on previews, you've clearly thought about it.

u/RingInfinite1435

This make sense and I’m working on something that let’s you cluster bookmarks or any related items (images, text, videos, etc) but again it ends up with folders, tags and notes. This post me makes me think if there is some creative solution to solve the issue.

u/Jebus-Xmas

Definitely you can do this with SimpleMind, but the issue is that you would need to drop each link in a brainstorm and then you could link them after the fact. I wonder if maybe you've hit on a great idea for a product or at least an extension.

u/Bitter_Big4525

This is the bit I miss too: the relationship between links is usually the useful part. Would nested notes under a saved link be enough for you, or would it need real backlinks/previews too?

u/AudienceMain7127

Use mymind it’s a bit pricey but very intuitive to use.you can even get started for free and see how it works. I’ve used it for almost a year now.

u/GroggInTheCosmos

I think I understand your point. I'm finding myself saving things in Anybox less and less these days

u/davelehman

I've just started using it, but Kosshi outliner is very interesting to me for use-cases like this, because all data is stored in a single local database (SQLite) on each device, rather than individual text files. First-class support for URLs, Markdown, and hands-on-keyboard navigation. It's not free, but single one-time cost. (No, i'm not affiliated in any way, just a fan so far.)